A Truly Remarkable Season

[cooperbh]

(01-03-2011 04:36 PM)AsylumGuido Wrote:  I thought your write up was dead on. There was no way I thought y'all would be able to put up the record you did with the limited weapons that you had.

You would think a Saints fan of all people would understand that having an abundance of offensive weapons is more a result of elite QB play than anyone going out and acquiring players with established reputations as playmakers.

Was Colston a "weapon" when he was acquired as Nearly Mr. Irrelevant out of Hofstra? How about Lance Moore as a UFA out of Toledo?

Was David Patten a "weapon" before he was plucked out of his senior living facility in 2007 and put in position to catch 800 yards worth of Drew Brees passes?

And I find it amusing how Devery Henderson and Michael Jenkins are both well known for possessing a strictly straight-line speed game and suspect hands, yet Henderson is considered a "weapon," while Jenkins is not. Nevermind how Jenks totally stepped up when the Saints defense sold out to take Roddy and Gonzo out of the game two weeks ago. If Turner doesn't fumble that night, Jenkins' constant abuse of Tracy Porter becomes the primary reason the Falcons stay undefeated at home in 2010.

As long as Ryan is on his game and has time to throw, he will have as many weapons as Brees does.

[cooperbh]

(01-03-2011 04:29 PM)Peyton Wrote:  Dude relishes embarrassing people if he believes they have been proven wrong. It's a wierd perversion...but you know...different strokes for different folks.

As long as you keep trotting out that lame argument, I'll be there with the requisite counter argument. Sorry that it embarrasses you.

[Peyton]

(01-04-2011 12:21 AM)cooperbh Wrote:  As long as you keep trotting out that lame argument, I'll be there with the requisite counter argument. Sorry that it embarrasses you.

Yeah...you don't embarrrass me. I do think your lame for your constant efforts to try and embarrass people that have an opinion that is different than yours.

The only counter argumment is 13-3. I mean..the Falcons have an Pro Bowl QB, WR, TE, and RB and yet the offense is ranked 16th. That screams pretty loudly that they are top heavy, which is the argument I have made all along.

Dude, it's cool, I get your schtick. You're not the first insecure person that needed to talk down to people in order to feel better about themselves that I've run across on a message board. You're not even the only one on this board.

It's all good.

[Peyton]

(01-04-2011 12:13 AM)cooperbh Wrote:  You would think a Saints fan of all people would understand that having an abundance of offensive weapons is more a result of elite QB play than anyone going out and acquiring players with established reputations as playmakers.

Was Colston a "weapon" when he was acquired as Nearly Mr. Irrelevant out of Hofstra? How about Lance Moore as a UFA out of Toledo?

Was David Patten a "weapon" before he was plucked out of his senior living facility in 2007 and put in position to catch 800 yards worth of Drew Brees passes?

And I find it amusing how Devery Henderson and Michael Jenkins are both well known for possessing a strictly straight-line speed game and suspect hands, yet Henderson is considered a "weapon," while Jenkins is not. Nevermind how Jenks totally stepped up when the Saints defense sold out to take Roddy and Gonzo out of the game two weeks ago. If Turner doesn't fumble that night, Jenkins' constant abuse of Tracy Porter becomes the primary reason the Falcons stay undefeated at home in 2010.

As long as Ryan is on his game and has time to throw, he will have as many weapons as Brees does.

When you are a starting WR in the league for 7 years and never register a single 100 yard game despite single coverage on every play of your life people generally disregard you as a weapon.

[cooperbh]

(01-04-2011 12:33 AM)Peyton Wrote:  Yeah...you don't embarrrass me. I do think your lame for your constant efforts to try and embarrass people that have an opinion that is different than yours.

The only counter argumment is 13-3. I mean..the Falcons have an Pro Bowl QB, WR, TE, and RB and yet the offense is ranked 16th. That screams pretty loudly that they are top heavy, which is the argument I have made all along.

Dude, it's cool, I get your schtick. You're not the first unsecure person that needed to talk down to people in order to feel better about themselves that I've run across on a message board. You're not even the only one on this board.

It's all good.

Glad you understand me so well. Now, if we can get back to talking about football...

The only reason the Falcons haven't amassed more yardage is because they tend to hold the ball for a very long time, running a lot of plays from scrimmage on their way to getting into scoring position - at which time they convert far more often than they don't.

You apparently see this as some sort of weakness, for which the only cure is another Pro Bowl wide receiver. I believe that this "anomoly" is purely by design, that this team would much rather get 100 yards and a TD on one long 15 play drive than to get 200 and a TD on four quick ones. These Falcons can move the ball just fine - they just choose to do it slowly and deliberately most of the time.

So, yes - 13 wins is the counter argument. Also, top five in scoring is the counter argument. Top five RB and WR is the counter argument. Top 10 QB and TE is the counter argument. The fact that we have yet to lose a game because all our receivers were covered is the counter argument.

Which I imagine is why you went and changed the argument to "You are insecure."

[cooperbh]

(01-04-2011 12:35 AM)Peyton Wrote:  When you are a starting WR in the league for 7 years and never register a single 100 yard game despite single coverage on every play of your life people generally disregard you as a weapon.

I don't know of too many third options that regularly rack up 100 yard passing games. Luckily, Jenks knows his role in the offense, even if some of our fans don't.

[Peyton]

(01-04-2011 01:51 AM)cooperbh Wrote:  Glad you understand me so well. Now, if we can get back to talking about football...

The only reason the Falcons haven't amassed more yardage is because they tend to hold the ball for a very long time, running a lot of plays from scrimmage on their way to getting into scoring position - at which time they convert far more often than they don't.

You apparently see this as some sort of weakness, for which the only cure is another Pro Bowl wide receiver. I believe that this "anomoly" is purely by design, that this team would much rather get 100 yards and a TD on one long 15 play drive than to get 200 and a TD on four quick ones. These Falcons can move the ball just fine - they just choose to do it slowly and deliberately most of the time.

So, yes - 13 wins is the counter argument. Also, top five in scoring is the counter argument. Top five RB and WR is the counter argument. Top 10 QB and TE is the counter argument. The fact that we have yet to lose a game because all our receivers were covered is the counter argument.

Which I imagine is why you went and changed the argument to "You are insecure."

This thread wasn't about an argument, it was a celebration of our team, but you had to come up in here and show your ass.

[Peyton]

(01-04-2011 01:56 AM)cooperbh Wrote:  I don't know of too many third options that regularly rack up 100 yard passing games. Luckily, Jenks knows his role in the offense, even if some of our fans don't.

If he was a better player, his role would be to catch more passes.

Mularkey's offense isn't geared to have one receiver catch 115 passes and all of the rest of them catch 88. It's never the way his offense has worked.

It only works that way here because that is what the talent dictates.

[cooperbh]

(01-04-2011 09:45 AM)Peyton Wrote:  This thread wasn't about an argument, it was a celebration of our team, but you had to come up in here and show your ass.

It was another one of your "lack of playmakers" threads, albeit with a more celebratory tone. If it were purely a celebration of our team, why did you feel compelled to begin the festivities by once again reminding everyone how deficient we are in the playmaking department?

Sorry, but I find your constant parroting that we have "overcome" such a seemingly significant weakness - amazingly to the tune of 13 wins and a top 5 scoring offense featuring top 10 players at every skill position - as agenda driven as a Matt Ryan detractor stating that the QB overcame his noodle arm, lack of accuracy and poor decision-making skills to arrive at the Pro Bowl season he had this year.

In other words: I'll drop it when you do.

[cooperbh]

(01-04-2011 09:50 AM)Peyton Wrote:  If he was a better player, his role would be to catch more passes.

Mularkey's offense isn't geared to have one receiver catch 115 passes and all of the rest of them catch 88. It's never the way his offense has worked.

It only works that way here because that is what the talent dictates.

Gonzo may not be a WR, but he is a reciever nonetheless. You can't just totally leave him out of the equation because it suits your argument.

And Jenkins has averaged 4 catches per game to Roddy's 7 catches per game since Jenkins returned from injury in week 6. What should the correct distribution ratio look like between the first and third options in a passing game?