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JKH5785 · 09-14-2010, 02:01 PM

(09-14-2010 01:57 PM)RnB Wrote: Not a single one of the people, not specifically you Peyton, that constantly blames everything on MM even mentioned how well MM adapted to what the Steelers were doing defensively. He adapted, changed up his playcalling, and we started moving the ball. Its unbelievable to me that so many people think so little of MM.

It's his play design and overall scheme that is making it difficult for our offense to execute.

His passing routes are ridiculously mediocre, predictable offensive sets.

It's hard to execute efficiently/consistently when the defense knows exactly what's coming.

RnB · 09-14-2010, 02:11 PM

See the above post I quoted from trickworm.

Im not going to rehash something we went over just a few days ago. Ultimately, there are chances for Matt to throw it deep but it is his choice whether he does it or not, not Mularkey's. Mularkey cant throw the ball to the deeper patterns FOR him, now can he? I think the consensus was, after several people actually getting over their hate for MM and discussing the issue, our OL did not give him time, Matt is too comfortable throwing short passes or timing patterns, he is a risk adverse QB to a fault.

The intricacies of an offense and what it requires to work efficiently are too varied for me to go into at this time; personell groupings, playcalling, sub packages, blocking assignments, hot routes for beating blitzes, audibles....

The list goes on and on. Some of the blame falls on player execution, some of the blame falls on the level of defense we played in Pittsburgh, and yes, some of the blame falls on Mularkey. Its a whole package deal when it comes to blame. I am just overly tired of people pointing the finger at our OC, who is HIGHLY respected around the NFL, and sating "Its all HIS fault". That sort of shit gets old, quick.

ChrisD · 09-14-2010, 02:21 PM

Here's a question about Matty Ice to the rest of you, and I haven't asked this on AFMB, so I'm curious to see what you guys think,

What are the chances that putting a leash on Matty Ice in his rookie season (only allowing him a certain number of throws, giving him more simplistic play patterns, and giving Turner the ball about 65% of the time) put some-what of a crutch to lean on? Now that he hasn't got that leash on him, is he getting self-conscious about his throws and thinking TOO much? Maybe that's why he's not taking his chances on the deep routes?

RnB · 09-14-2010, 02:30 PM

I started a topic over on the other forums saying that Matt Ryan needs to take it to the next level. The honeymoon is over and he is in his third year now. He is still making some of the same mistakes he made as a rookie, he is still refusing to take any risks whatsoever to try to make big plays, he is still too attached to throwing sideline out routes to TonyG and Roddy.

There are alot of things Matt still needs to work on. To answer your question, no I dont think the way he was handled in his rookie season has much to do with it. He has been a football player his entire life. I think there is some merit to saying that he is too smart for his own good. He knows the shorter routes are higher percentage and will pick a short route over a longer one every time. Hell, he will throw the ball away before he tries to make a "tough throw" or goes for a deeper route.

He is very risk adverse and his intelligence is constantly telling him to go with high percentage passes. I said it before, and Ill say it again; MVP, Championship, Elite QBs DO take risks. They make plays when the pocket breaks down. Instead of throwing the ball away multiple times EVERY game, they choose to MAKE those tough throws to try to help their team win. Matt Ryan needs to step his game up and become the QB we know he can be based on things we have seen him do on the football field.

JKH5785 · 09-14-2010, 02:44 PM

some of the throws that Matt Ryan made his rookie year to Jenkins and White, those back shoulder over the defender type throws, I just don't see him making them throws anymore.
Not because he can't physically make them, but either the play design doesn't call for it because their are too many comebacks/curls/hooks or he doesn't have the confidence in all the receivers.

ChrisD · 09-14-2010, 03:07 PM

(09-14-2010 02:30 PM)RnB Wrote: I started a topic over on the other forums saying that Matt Ryan needs to take it to the next level. The honeymoon is over and he is in his third year now. He is still making some of the same mistakes he made as a rookie, he is still refusing to take any risks whatsoever to try to make big plays, he is still too attached to throwing sideline out routes to TonyG and Roddy.

There are alot of things Matt still needs to work on. To answer your question, no I dont think the way he was handled in his rookie season has much to do with it. He has been a football player his entire life. I think there is some merit to saying that he is too smart for his own good. He knows the shorter routes are higher percentage and will pick a short route over a longer one every time. Hell, he will throw the ball away before he tries to make a "tough throw" or goes for a deeper route.

He is very risk adverse and his intelligence is constantly telling him to go with high percentage passes. I said it before, and Ill say it again; MVP, Championship, Elite QBs DO take risks. They make plays when the pocket breaks down. Instead of throwing the ball away multiple times EVERY game, they choose to MAKE those tough throws to try to help their team win. Matt Ryan needs to step his game up and become the QB we know he can be based on things we have seen him do on the football field.

I guess what brought that question to my mind was watching the progression of (Yes, I'm going to say it . . . ) Joe Flacco. He's solidly progressed in each of his seasons. Last season he took a huge leap. Although, Matt Ryan was on pace to have a better season that Flacco, but still. The only difference I had noticed between the two was the fact that the Ravens showed no holds on Flacco his rookie season and they were letting him take deep shots all the time. I hate comparing Flacco and Ryan, but they are so closely similar, that you almost have to compare the two.